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Buddhist Kolomo? (IMG heavy)

Post by IG Team » Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:09 pm

TwoSpiritYuki

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Can anyone tell me what the structural difference is between this and a regular kimono?

I've also seen various pictures of really elaborate monk clothing Image (a drawing, but I have seen photo's)

and wondering if anyone could could tell me the components of it?
I've also seen:
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Any info you guys have would be great. :katana:

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Re: Buddhist Kolomo? (IMG heavy)

Post by IG Team » Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:10 pm

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I was going to post on the other thread you made, but I think this thread would be a little more appropriate^^

Researching Japanese Buddhist monk kimono has been a personal project of mine (so when I saw your threads I couldn't resist making an IG account!). Solid information is a bit elusive, so it might not be 100% accurate, but I will share what I can.

A koromo, which is the type of kimono a Buddhist monk wears, is constructed out of a wider bolt of fabric than normal kimono. The bolt I bought to make my koromo, which was specifically intended for making koromo, is a little over 30 inches wide. It is similar to this one:
http://www.ichiroya.com/item/list2/162241/

Koromo lack okumi (front panels), so they don't overlap as much. Also, starting at the waist or a little below they have a pleated "skirt". Some koromo I've seen are open under the arms, some aren't. The koromo's wingspan is quite large-I've often seen in photos that monks bunch them up a little at the elbow to keep their hands free! Some monks also have very wide collars on their koromo:
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Here are some photos of one that used to be on Ichiroya (that I sadly could not afford before it sold):
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And another one from Ichiroya:
http://www.ichiroya.com/item/list2/127684

The monk wears his/her koromo over a hakama, although I haven't found any information on undergarments. Over it all, the monk wears the kesa, which is togalike in appearance. Traditionally, the whole ensemble is supposed to be tailored by the monk out of fabric scraps donated to him.

Here are some additional photos showing koromo:
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A lot of the variations in koromo design probably have to do with rank, formality, and maybe even sect...unfortunately I haven't been able to dig up any meaningful info on the subject.

That's probably a little more info than you really wanted, but...eheh. Once I start talking, I can't shut up.

As for the kimono you're asking about:
It looks like it has the pleated skirt that a koromo would have, but it also looks like it has okumi, which would be unusual for a koromo. It also has the little closure ties that I've noticed on other koromo, but without seeing the entire garment I can't be certain. Where did you find your photos?

I'll write more later if you'd like more info (and I'll dig up my sources from the depths of my hard drive), but it's getting rather late (early?) and I have an 8 AM lab tomorrow morning :gah:

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Re: Buddhist Kolomo? (IMG heavy)

Post by IG Team » Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:10 pm

TwoSpiritYuki

I was so excited about the post I forgot to link my source. :oops:

http://www.wafuku.co.uk/index.php?c=80&p=101474 Here is the saffron koromo I linked. I was planning on purchasing it, but unfortunately someone got to it first.

I'd love to know anything else you know on this subject and once again, thank you. :)

Oh and one more thing- Image is this the skirt you were speaking of? :D

Edit: I also found this! http://mokurai.destinyslobster.com/garb_text.html

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Re: Buddhist Kolomo? (IMG heavy)

Post by IG Team » Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:11 pm

AlbinoShadow

Ah, that link makes me happy. More references!

Yes, that is the skirt I was talking about. Different koromo have different types of skirts...I wish I knew more! Especially the technical term for them.

I actually started researching because I want to cosplay an anime character who is a Buddhist monk (Eisen from Haruka: Beyond the Stream of Time) but I want everything to be as traditional and accurate as possible. Unfortunately, there is still a lot of guesswork involved :ohno:

I am not Buddhist myself, but I understand your feeling of not wanting to do something disrespectful/offensive. For cosplay it's probably okay, but I feel better knowing that I'm doing it right and I honestly just love learning about other religions. Although, it's caused me to spend dozens of hours digging through the internet to find the right information :frazzled:
And I'm still looking.

Here are a few links I found after a quick search of my hard drive:

http://www.suzukihouiten.jp/knowledge/himo_gojyo.php
http://www.suzukihouiten.jp/knowledge/wear_nyohoue.php
Ichiroya pointed me to this site when I asked them about kesa. It really helped when I designed my kesa (which is almost complete) and shows how to wear a few different styles of kesa. There is more on this site if you do some digging.

http://mokurai.destinyslobster.com/Being_a_monk.html
This was written by a person doing a project for SCA, but it's the most in-depth English source that I've found.

Argh, I really need to go to sleep. Gotta get up again in only a few hours. I'll post some more tomorrow...er, later today.

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