Flower motives tend to be challenging to me and these two have make me pondering for a good while by now. Could anyone in here perhaps recognize either ones of them?
If there would be those flowers alone, could maybe keep them kind of simplified plums. Leaves has bit same general shape than hagi but seem to be bigger. As to combined, I confess I'm very much lost
These little ones are from kimono which pattern includes whole punch of flowers from different seasons so of course its possible that they are just something generalized in order to "fill in" pattern with bit extra color.