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Oiran, Tayu, Yujo etc-- Obi Musubi

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:16 pm
by IG Team
Auberginefleur:

Does anyone have a chart (or images) showing the different styles of tying the obi, often in front, for the ladies of the pleasure quarters? I would be truly grateful.

-AF

Re: Oiran, Tayu, Yujo etc-- Obi Musubi

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:17 pm
by IG Team
hibana:

This thread has all the yujo images your heart can desire. :tayuu Unfortunately there's no handy chart, but if you read the entire thread, you can see which musubi seemed to be worn by which sort of courtesan. (I'm on my way out the door, so I don't have time to make a chart right now) Someone is probably going to suggest the Kyoto Hairstyle museum's tayuu book as a reference. For obi images, it's rather useless. For hairstyle information, it is superlative. :tayuuface

Here's a sloppy overview of different yujo musubi. I think some of the tayuu musubi were regional variations from pleasure quarters outside of Kyoto but there's no way to know. Anything not linked to its source is from the "not enough tayuu" thread.

Yoshiwara oiran musubi:

From a print, the oiran "chopping board" musubi:
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With gold fringe dangling:
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Heavily padded:
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Vintage image, with fringe:
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Another variety:
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From kabuki:
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Tayuu musubi:

Furisode-tayuu:
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Looks like a tootsie roll, doesn’t go with furisode sleeves.
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The most common tayuu musubi:
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Looks like yanagi musubi, but in front:
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Strange musubi I’ve never seen outside of vintage photos:
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Another odd one:
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Strange otaiko-like musubi:
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Not a musubi! This is a kite.
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Other stuff:

Lower-class prostitute's soft obi:
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I think she is supposed to be a shinzo:
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Hope that helps!

Re: Oiran, Tayu, Yujo etc-- Obi Musubi

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:25 pm
by IG Team
Mizu_Ryuu:

hibana, do you know by any chance what kind of obi the 'lower-class prostitutes' are wearing in the photo?

Re: Oiran, Tayu, Yujo etc-- Obi Musubi

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:25 pm
by IG Team
Auberginefleur:

Here's what I do have on Edo period musubi, but it doesn't necessarily pertain to the pleasure quarters, hence my difficulties. You would really think it would be on the net somewhere in Japanese, but for the life of me, I can't find it.

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Re: Oiran, Tayu, Yujo etc-- Obi Musubi

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:26 pm
by IG Team
Kumiyanagi:

Some of these are in Liza Dalby's Kimono, Lets see...
(from left to right)
Tate Musubi, Hasami Musubi?, Hiki Musubi, Takao Musubi,
Koryu Musubi, Shimabara Musubi, Hiki Musume, Koman Musubi,
Bunko Kuzushi, Yoshio Musubi, Oiso Musubi, Hikiage Musubi,
Otaka Musubi, Kichiya Musubi, Kagege Musubi?, Roko Musubi,
Shinko Musubi, Chidori Musubi, Darari Musubi,Bunko Musubi,
Hitotsu Musubi

Sorry if I made any mistakes, I'm kinda tired... :sleepy

Re: Oiran, Tayu, Yujo etc-- Obi Musubi

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:26 pm
by IG Team
Auberginefleur:

Kumiyanagi, thank you. You too are a dear! And you are right, most of these are in Liza Dalby's book.

I know the names of the regular Edo period musubi in the charts above. I need names and diagrams of yujo musubi. The only name I know is the manaita 俎板 "chopping board" mentioned above by Hibana.

Any and all help is welcome!

ps. Thanks again Hibana for the images. I am still trying to find names for the musubi, but am not being very successful. As far as I can tell, they are often all grouped together just as Tayu-musubi on Japanese web sites.

Re: Oiran, Tayu, Yujo etc-- Obi Musubi

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:27 pm
by IG Team
Iyolin:

Probably not that helpful, but I've seen pictures of kamuro with tateya musubi, as well as this one that I came across a name for in a book about ukiyo-e.

It's called Heijuurou Musubi (it's seen on a lot of prints that I've noticed in my book). Specifically mentioned on page 63 of Japanese Prints by Gabriele Fahr-Becker, about a work by Suzuki Harunobu, titled "A letter for the courtesan".

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I tried to find the kanji for it, and searched in random Japanese, but I didn't find much, and apparently it's a boy's name. Nothing kimono wise came up.

Re: Oiran, Tayu, Yujo etc-- Obi Musubi

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:28 pm
by IG Team
Auberginefleur:

Iyolin, nice exmaple! Thanks! Here's a diagram with characters for your Heijuurou musubi, named after a kabuki actor of female roles:

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Speaking of kites, how's this one?

Toyokuni's Courtesan Asaju of Daimonji

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Re: Oiran, Tayu, Yujo etc-- Obi Musubi

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:28 pm
by IG Team
yumehime:

I can't help but notice that in most of the pics, even the prints, that there are what appear to be little girls. Are those asistants? If so, since they are dressed simalarly, do they get a difrent kind of obi and bow to mark them as such?

Re: Oiran, Tayu, Yujo etc-- Obi Musubi

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:28 pm
by IG Team
Tahanala:

A search for "kamuro" should yield tons of results.